KJB. @greg Filter Churches. The New Testament is the authority in all matters of faith and practice. You either comply or you are thrown out. You may admire their piety, but a true believer in the New Testament would have a great problem with many of their doctrines and especially why they persecuted the Baptists and drove them from their colonies. 5:23) and the Chief Shepherd )1 Peter 5:4). Some more deception I would like to expose are these IFB web sites. G.L. I cannot know. They have a 1st Amendment right to speak their mind, but that doesnt mean shouting down a preacher at a military funeral. this is a great book research on cultist church He believed the only way to recover was to form a new church based on the Bible. This is the true heritage the Fundamental Baptists holds dear, there have always been assemblies which submitted themselves only to the sole authority of the Word of God. Good job Greg!in reference to your reply to Rachel above. 3:1-16) However, some Independent Baptist churches do not accept that the word "officer" is the proper biblical term to be used and particularly does not apply to deacons. Pedophiles hide in dark corners. For another example, our neighbor is a lost man. Any idiot can do that. I am an IFB. But when we begin to paint entire church groups with the broad brush of generalities then OUR motives become suspect. So I still think Just about every Church has Strict dress Standards whether they know it or not. Like I alluded to earlier most folks dont study their bible, and many do so with preconceived ideas, please have a look at your churchs stance on these issues according to scripture and see if Thomas Campbell is right about these things. Lynne, And Im so glad for the Great Is Thy Faithfulness versefavorite song! To preach the Bible without the rituals of the Church of England was against the law. 8. No new testament christian anywhere in scripture, that I know of, is compelled to give a tithe. : Yes Address: 1101 Pennsylvania Ave Monaca Pennsylvania 15061 United States Service Times: Sunday School 9:30, Sunday Morning 10:30, Sunday Evening: N/A as of 2/2023, Wednesday 6:30 Phone: 724-252-7885 Pastor's Name: Kevin Draganac This charter was the very cornerstone of American religious freedom! A tithe was to be given by Jews under law to a levitical priest and as far as I can tell, it was always a product from the land, be it animals or some sort of plant life. It is in fact Gods Word in 17th century english. Independent, Fundamental, King James, Mission Minded Our Service Times Are: Sunday Morning Worship -. It was not founded because a line of Baptist churches down through history. If people would only study the Word of God for themselves and stop being pew sitters and believe everything the pastor says of gospel truth theyd be able to spot a false doctrine/teacher a mile away. Pastors tiptoe around specific sins so not to offend. 6. The Association of Fundamental Baptist Churches in the Philippines AFBCP is an organization guiding cooperative ministries of Independent Baptist The first church was founded there in 1688, in Middletown and was made up of many who had fled persecution in the other colonies. Independent Baptist Directory of Churches. People sin, and people attend churches. Members are encouraged to post contact information for such churches. One man Hanserd Knolleys, is an example of dissenter of the Church of England who had to flee to America. Believers are not set apart by the clothing they wear so much as their conduct, character, and lifestyle. 2 Corinthians 9:6 Prosperity Giving Deception, 76. adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. Greg, It bases its belief in the New Testament teaching that every believer is a priest to himself, having full excess to God without the need to go through a church, church leader or priest. Thanks for any love shown but what you just did Kaatie was take a few lines I wrote and placed them within your own ideaand that is know as taking something out of context . all churches that support tithingtithe a tenth of their income to building Gods kingdom. I see through to the intensions of this site. He records that five hundred others who were identified as Anabaptists were also killed in England during this period. Secessionism is the gross error of Catholicism. Although we gladly accept donations offered it is not required. I dont know of any areas where their teachings are unbiblical or fundamental. First anytime a mans name is attached to a system of theology my antennae go way up, think Campbell, Calvin, Arminius, Smith etc. The Presbyterians took over the job of persecution biblical believers and forbade Knolleys from preaching in parish churches. 1) strict adherence to one version of the bible Whether these groups of believers called themselves Baptists or not, if they were doctrinally pure, following the New Testament for their faith and practice they were New Testament churches and thus they can be called Baptistic. (See Acts 20:28, Hebrews 13:7). The line of English churches that can be traced, who called themselves Baptists, began in 1610 in Holland. I do hope that your eyes will be opened up soon because keeping the law will not grant you entrance into heaven. Puritan churches persecuted the Baptists in America until the U. S. Constitution was made the law of the land in 1787. To call these people Baptists or Baptistic, in the sense the believed the Bible and followed it as their sole authority for faith and practice, in the same way true Baptist churches do today, is acceptable, although it serves no purpose. Suppose too that some of them on reading that Bible were to believe and repent of their sins and place their trust in Gods Son and His redemption for personal sin. I think most people would agree with me on this. Smyth, believed the only real apostolic succession is a succession of Biblical New Testament truth, and not of outward ordinances and visible organization such as the Church of England or the Roman Church. Though many people including Websters Dictionary refers Baptists as being Protestants, it is not correct to refer to them as such or to lump all non-Catholic denominations in one group and label them Protestant. // ]]> Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception, 42. @greg By 1644, these congregations grew to seven churches. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. It can be historically determined that forty seven Baptist churches were in existence before the Great Awakening. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.. It seemed that if some people (which were severalactually almost all with very few exceptions) were given any place of position within the church, they responded with a sole purpose for having the pastor pleased with them, and definitely staying in his face about ideas which truly seemed more personal preference than such ideas of benefit. Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians? These five distinctive beliefs separate the true Baptists from other groups who have mistakenly taken the name Baptist and all non New Testament churches such as the Protestants. Any way dont want to lie on any church. He said he could tell because I had a joyful spirit. What does this have to do with our discussion? 2 talking about this. Today we are excited to announce Independent Baptist Churches. Independent fundamental Baptist churches include those loosely affiliated in fellowshipsmore common in the Northas well as those whose pastors may share particular networksmore common in. And as long as we allow people into churches, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Southern Baptist or IFB there are going to be problems. We preach modest clothing (unfortunatly most of the girls at my church dont adhere to it in that they wear skirts that expose all but a few inches of the upper leg). ), and maybe even stand up and shout if the Lord really touches their heart, Sorry that you had a bad experience, but not all IFB churches are alike, and mine is great! Tithing preceded the OT Law. If only people would study more to know the voice of their Savior, there would be no one to follow the false teachers. Throughout all your conjecture you based none of you opinions on scripture. (See also Gal. No one in USA at least (whether IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, MOST CHURCHES, etc) tithe on all belongings at they practiced thier & our money/wealth/argicultural exchange & system is very different. The Puritans were dissenters from the Church of England. The influx of these falsely converted pagans is one reason Roman Catholicism came to have so many idolatrous and pagan beliefs. In 1631, he arrived in Boston. In determining who were the first Baptists, you must first identify who you are referring to. Catholicsm is beyond a denomination & a religious institution with some Christian tenants. Bottom line, tithing was commanded for Jews under Law. 2. with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. I do not agree with the IFB on their viewpoint of strict dress standards. I liken this to attending a Bible study without your Bible. Tithing I believe is liberty. This church had no ties to anyone or any other church, yet this was a Baptist church as much as any Baptist church ever was. IFB churches are not the problem. 1.) The local pastor is the shepherd (Heb. This means that IFB churches do not look to creeds, confessions, or church councils to determine their doctrinal positions. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. I already addressed the 1st point regarding them being under Mosaic Law vs us if you read all youlll find them incl how Jesus spoke to similar crowd regarding what is Adultery, etcalso I already explained its not mandatory & no one says you better or must incl where I;m atI already explained how Jesus stated it was not to be undone while He expanded on what should have been done of which they failedif it was all about Mosaic law only they would probally I think be in compliance but Christ fulfilled & was teaching in consitency with that. I am Presbyterian and we had a discussion on Christian doctrine. True New Testament Christians have always rejected such unbiblical ideas. Though we no longer keep the ritual and sacramental law, Gods moral laws and prophesies of things yet to come are not to be ignored. Treated like everywhere else been. Greg, Hope youll check it out. Examples: Billy Graham, Promise Keepers. Everyone in the colony was automatically a member of the State church and were taxed to support it. Baptists strongly insist that Gods Word is not up for arbitration or subject to the individuals, groups, denominations or churchs private interpretation. They loved the Lord and many of them gave their lives and fortunes for the sake of Christ. We dress however we want, however, my Pastor chides me in good nature, because I frequently wear black clothing, but he is not being critical. https://www.jesuswordsonly.com/books/175-pauls-contradictions-of-jesus.html. The KJV is a wonderful translation and very valid for its time, and you, like many others love it for its beautiful shakesperean english. These churches were missions minded and formed schools to train preachers and missionaries. I should have or you should have? In a biblical church the pastor is the overseers or leaders of the congregation. God cares not for your works, your baptism, your church attendance, or your social status. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? Tithing preceded the NT and ended with the establishment of the New Covenant. Encyclopaedia Britannica's editors oversee subject areas in which they have extensive knowledge, whether from years of experience gained by working on that content or via study for an advanced degree. Also, and Im not sure how to word this question properly, but during the building of the original NT church as described in Acts and further in the rest of the NT, wouldnt they have had to subscribe to some form of outside authority and control in order for the church to be formed? I think I already addressed that point. Fortunately my current pastor, though still somewhat legalistic, has studied and understands that tithing was for Jews under the old covenant/law, Im just hoping he keeps studying about some other issues, but you know all of us are learning and growing (hopefully). 10 Myths About the King James Version, 68. Im made of dirt, but God is gonna let my neighbor go to Hell because the dirt-clod next door didnt give him a Chick tract!! What does the Bible say about the way Christians should dress? Nor can I know the heart of those I preach to. Fundamental Baptists are strict in interpreting the Bible in a literal sense. 4.) I understand what you are saying about these kind of messages with strong emotional appeals. When people ask me what church I am a member of, I always tell them the Heavenly Church, wherever and whoever that is. What gets my goat on this style of preaching is that as much as these baptists act as though they follow nothing but the scripture, it seems they dont read it or study it much. God has not entrusted that authority to impart salvation to any man or church. If the apostle Peter wanted to show up to Church one day while he was stripped and naked he would probably not be allowed in most Churches unless he put on some clothes. That made them in the eyes of God as legitimate a church as any Paul founded. I am divorced, and I always sit in the front rows. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. Of all my favorite things to do now that Im out of that situation, is raise my hands and praise my precious Saviour when He stirs my heart. It was founded because some saved men believed the Bible and wanted to follow the New Testament example of what a true church should be. Share this: Thank you. Its is true that many Baptists left the ranks of Protestant churches which were doctrinal unsound and apostate. I saw Jesus there and the Holy Spirit! Im sure you realize all this, but I thought I would throw my voice in it. Many churches by this time had come under the domination of the Rome government and had ceased from being New Testament churches. I have done my share of research on what defines a cult and unless Im missing something, we dont qualify as a such. The charge recorded against him was that he broached and divulged new and dangerous opinions against the authority of the magistrates. Im not sure about this one. This lasted only one Sunday however, and the following Sunday the doors were opened and services held in defiance of the order. He soon embraced Separatists ideas and decided to leave England. If your church does teach the following then watch out, you are probably in a manipulating extreme IFB church situation. Most Baptist churches were in the past founded on the sound doctrinal teachings of the New Testament, however, many of them have in varying degrees drifted away from many of the teachings of the Scriptures. Blessings. One of the last acts of the Presbyterians, before the Long Parliament in England fell, was to past a law passing the death penalty on anyone who was caught holding to what they called Eight Errors in Doctrine. These doctrines included infant baptism. 2) tell you what kind of music to listen to In 1995 the group reported 69,857 members and 670 congregations. Anyone who differed with the practices of the State church were subject to great persecution. They all hold to a system of hierarchy in church government and do not accept the autonomy the local church. Proverbs 21:24, Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who dealeth in proud wrath. 4:1-5, 1 Cor. Since you seem to be more of an authority on this, could you recommend some source material which would specifically deal with this from an IBC perspective? He has been an alcoholic, had been sexually abused in a Catholic orphanage, had lost his family, and had lost everything. There are hundreds of archaic words that I have no idea what they mean and then you have words that have actually changed meaning since the KJV was published like conversation, to me that means to talk with someone, not in the KJV, it means behavior, prevent is another one, to me it means to stop someone from doing something, not in the KJV, it means to precede. These distinctives are the distinctives taught in Bible which constitute a true New Testament church. Since she has a place of her own now I dont see her as much as I like but I wont shun her because she left. For example inn Isle of Wight county in southeastern Virginia, Baptist preachers were taken to Nansamond River, nearly drowned by Episcopalians to show their contempt for Baptists beliefs in immersion and their rejection of infant Baptism. @greg The crucial point is not that they called themselves Baptists, but they followed the Bible as their sole authority for faith and practice. than we pray that they will get right with God 14) before the Lord Jesus announced the coming establishment of the ekklesia. (Matt 16:18). I would agree with this. This was the first time in the history of the world that a government was established which granted religious freedom! The point is the name Baptist in the beginning was used to designate a true New Testament assembly that was biblically sound. teaching that all sex is dirty, etc..), I see no sense in throwing the baby out with the bath water. You can tell when people actually study their Bibles. I request any comment left to me is free of insults and vulgarities, please). Select worship style. True Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches uphold the purest teachings of the early church as revealed in the New Testament. Youve done nothing to, directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct.. I would mostly be concerned about #1 more than any other. Jesus as clearly as the Son of God could tells us says (John 6:37-39,43 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. Im looking forward to laughing at more of your comments. halftruth and deception ministries. 3:3). But this issue is just another one that the IFBs get wrong, worrying themselves over externals as opposed to the internals. I personally do not think tithing is wrong, When Jesus refers to tithing didnt He uphold it & only objected to other sins but did not speak aganist it. So, obligating someone to feel like they mustis not I believe what God wants. 6) teach old testament tithing new testamenent giving is found in 2 Cor 9:7 Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. So Im guessing that pretty much every Church other than Ivor Church has a dress code. Soul liberty is a belief that everyone is responsible to God individually. Thus, history and the doctrines of Protestantism clearly show that Baptists are not Protestants. But if your wife and daughters are dressing immodestly to draw attention to their bodies, theyre not dressing in a Christ-honoring way Pointing out failures of pastors, church congregations and movements can be informative as long as we also point out that not all, or even most of the groups involved are entwined in grevious and blatant sin. Historically, Baptists were never a part of the Roman Catholic Church or the Protestant Reformation and therefore can not be correctly called protestors or Protestants. p.s. I myself wear pants and outside of church most of the other women do too. Although, they were not as corrupt as the Church of England, they still practiced a strict ritual of church service, a state church, and among other things, infant baptism. If they want to protest such an event, please feel free to move their candy butts a mile or more down the road. If it isnt to much trouble please explain your assertion. Will you join us? How many people are in churches were the pastor is unaccountable? Our Beliefs JESUS CHRIST Jesus Christ is at the center of everything. This was the birth of Protestant churches. It became an independent church in 1746. Showing 1-20 of 633 church listings. I think Calvary Chapel churches are great. They write new content and verify and edit content received from contributors. As for being responsible to share the gospel with those whom God has put in our path; our daily life should show we are different by our character and the way we live. I attend an IFB church. Offers of religious liberty drew many Baptists to settle in New Jersey. Smokers use breath mints. In only a few years however, the church had lost all but ten members to the Mennonites and other groups in Holland. So, IT IS in the New Testament! Many men have suffered and given their fortunes and their lives to hold the name in truth. People have a tendency to attempt to conceal their sin. 2. Matthew 7:1&2, Judge not, that ye be not judged. To fulfill something as in Jesus fulfilled the law means that it is satisfied, meaning that it is no longer needed. Although, many Protestants returned in part to a belief in the Bible as their authority for their faith and practice, not one of them EVER completely left all the doctrinal errors and false teachings of the apostate Roman Catholic church. I would love to know your thoughts on the matter. Our editors will review what youve submitted and determine whether to revise the article. About. To say there is a unbroken line or succession of Baptist churches from the time of Christ until today cannot be shown from history. (For a explanation of the biblical role of deacons please go to http://bible-truth.org/deacon.html, The pastor of the church is called by majority vote of the congregation. Even the Roman Catholic Church which boasts of his unbroken history cannot prove an unbroken line of churches earlier than the Third Century, and what Catholicism teaches today in no way resembles what the New Testament teaches or what the early churches believed and practiced. I respect a church that weloclmes being a part of my tithe but does not mandate that I do. The best illustration of this point can be made this way. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. One of the best sources I have found concerning His nature, the Nature of Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is at the following link: Gayle Erwin does a wonderful teaching on the nature of God. God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. These churches remained sound in doctrine and practicing the faith of the New Testament. The over the years the growth of so many false and idolatrous practices caused some within the Catholic church such as Martin Luther to rebel, and to try to reform the Catholic church. Hello, To hold to the secessionist position takes the authority away from the New Testament and places it in the hands of man. Wives Submit Deception Revisited Exploration of Ephesians 5:21, 74. Make no mistake though baptism will never save anyone! http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/ This site is run by a Jack Hyles follower. Our goal is to send out missionaries, home and abroad, that will start independent, fundamental Baptist churches. Knolleys was imprisoned many times and suffered at the hands of the State Church. I grew up in a Catholic church and boarding school, then was taken out and placed into Lutheran surroundings. These churches patterned themselves strictly after the New Testament example, and this made them valid churches approved of God. The Revolutionary War for some time slowed the growth of Baptist churches. Again adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. Total. 4:11) or leader of the congregation. Later Presbyterians, Episcopalians and Methodist were added to the lists of Protestants denominations. The natural question then to ask is, What makes a person a true Baptist? In examining the history of Baptists and determining what makes up a genuine and true Baptist, five distinctives should be noted.