These cartridges include (from left) the .22-250 Remington, .22 Creedmoor and .22-250 Ackley Improved. Good news Petersons 22 Creedmoor brass is very good so you dont even have to neck down brass. Excellent ballistic performance. If you get open shots at deer, those little hollow points really ground them. That means the lands on my 6mm Creedmoor eroded 0.077" over 1300 rounds, which is an average of 0.0059" every 100 rounds (i.e. Poor cleaning practices can reduce the life of a barrel by damaging rifling. Most shooters first roll their eyes when hearing you say you have a 22 Creedmoor, just hearing the word Creedmoor, but they often do a double take a second or two later and ask, 22?. After hundreds of comments, phone calls, and mess. I know that huge advances in rifles has taken place since the 1970s. I'm currently shooting a rifle I built with a Bartlein 1:7.7 twist M24 taper with a Brownells Stryker Ridge action (made by Defiance) in a Manners EH1. Most states would not allow it as lacking sufficient energy. Clean kill yes indeed, but not a pretty sight. The old standard would have dropped a rainbow-like curve of 12.6 mils at the 1000-yard mark. I'll elaborate more on 25 Creedmoor in future stories! As a 450 yard deer cartridge. But again, that just my opinion. The performance of the 22 CM with 75 80 grain bullets makes it an outstanding varmint cartridge. The second was for shooting PRS (Precision Rifle Series) style matches on occasion, and the third was for hunting deer sized game. Choices are great, Lapua brass with large primers is what made me choose a 22-250 instead of a 22 Creedmoor. . Life Jackets . We suggest the 75gr Hornady ELD-M as the ideal projectile for this caliber, If you choose to run the 88gr Hornady, 90gr Hornady, Sierra or Berger, or the 95gr Sierra PLEASE note your rifle should have a freebore of .120 or more. But I digress. About the author: Savage pre fits come in 2 shank sizes; Standard (small) Shank / 1.058"-20, Large / 1.120"-20. There are hunters, also within the hunting culture, who specialize in one element of hunting or another. I know several folks including myself have been playing with the 22 creedmoor for a while now. Make no mistake, as precision rifles are becoming so common that shooters and custom rifle builders have had to turn to customizing calibers and cartridges for more performance, so too has the consumer marketing side of ammunition manufacturers also started creating more calibers and cartridges to further fuel the yearly upgrade and new purchase trend of rifles similar to other tech and cellphone industries. The same brothers that forged Thor's hammer Mjolnir. Back in the day, my first ever rifle was a Remington 700 in 6mm. First you have to define "barrel life" and then you have to consider the number one enemy to the barrel, heat and pressure. Yes deer are half the size of a man and do not have body armor but even the mostly ignorant DOD civilians are letting the military look at larger calibers than .22 because of lack of long range effectiveness. Next post: The Kimber K6 Deep Cover The Snubnose for Today, Previous post: Primary Arms MD-25 Red Dot Review, Your email address will not be published. It Jeffs current endeavors cover a broad spectrum and he can be found anywhere from local matches helping and encouraging new shooters as they develop their own love of the sport, to the dove field with his friends, a charity sporting clays shoot, backpack hunting public land in Montana, or the winners podium of a major championship. The 22 Creedmoor will come standard with a 1-in-7-inch fast-twist barrel, and combined with the increased volume inside its case, you can push those long pills over at 3,450 feet per second! Edit May 2022: After researching for the origins of the 6mm Creedmoor, I stumbled upon an even earlier post, where member skeetlee started a thread first suggesting necking down a 6.5 Creedmoor to a 6mm, an then later joked about also just doing it in a .22cal version. Full house loads in 7-pound rifles recoil with about 15.7 ft.-lbs. Like most modern cartridges with minimum taper and 30-degree shoulders, the .22 Creedmoor is set up with long throats and fast twist barrels to handle bullets as heavy as 95 grains, pushing them as fast as 3,000 fps. If they can, velocities are so low they arent practical. Once I lock in on the bushing size required to size effectively, I will load up 3 rounds at a hot load and fire them in my chamber. Why would I switch. 22 Creedmoor Bartlein Barrel Build a 22 Creedmoor Bartlein to fit your needs! Just as they were done, Loki, disguised as a fly, bit Sindri on the elbow causing all 6.5 barrels forged to wear out at 4000 rounds but be extremely accurate Required fields are marked *. It was great fun and freedomand lasted until my enlistment was up. I have to say, the best part about shooting the Meredith 22 CM is that its just fun to shoot. So check out the details and run the numbers yourself and consider one for your next rifle build. 22 Creedmoor is also often mispelled as 22 Creedmoore or Creedmore, it is also often called the 22 6.5 Creedmoor denoting the main 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge that it was developed from. Using gunwerks 6creed brass and fed 210m primers. It also depends on the ammo, bullet weight / style, powder, and velocities that you're running. If you want to run light bullets fast, just build a 20 tactical and run the 32gn v-max at 4100. The 22-250 AI would make more sense to me. Since individual rifles can vary I dont know whether it was wear or not. I've been waiting for it to be in stock, I have some of their 6 Creedmoor brass and it's good stuff. For what this is worth, my load above shoots great with Hornady brass but as with most tinkers I wanted to try some loads using small rifle primers. It shouldnt outdo the 22-250 ai since capacity is nearly identical. This rifle is an absolute nightmare on Coyotes, Feral Hogs, Prairie Dogs, and Whitetail Deer. Everyone is in the .45 ACP vs the tiny 9mm for a couple of years..then they ALL switch to the side of the deeper hitting 9mm! As soon as any new cartridge hits the mainstream market, hand loaders start tinkering with it making wildcat variations. -Craddock Precision, That this Barrel is Custom Made to Order, If the Blank is in stock it will get turned soon, 6-8 month lead times are to be expected, if Blanks are not in, we then strive to ship your Barrel as soon as we can! If I was going to build another one it would be on a 1-7 twist barrel just to try the 95gr smk. We strive to send out a newsletter each month to show new products, updates to the site, and give updates on what we have planned. Any idea where to look to get that? The answer also relies heavily on your goals; a benchrest shooter will consider a barrel shot-out long before a hunter will. The gunsmith would need to preferably have a 22 Creedmoor reamer to create a chamber in the barrel for it, however some advanced gunsmiths can turn a chamber based on a 22 Creedmoor brass case. So what is accurate barrel life, and how do we determine a barrels life expectancy? Life Extenders 10 shots averaged 3510 at 45 degrees. Allow extra time for your barrel to cool between shots, and avoid rapid or sustained fire where possible. #3123699 - 01/17/18 12:34 PM Re: 22 Creedmoor [Re: thoms715] CZ527 Die Hard Member III Registered: 12/25/14 Posts . This is something that plagued me with the traditional 22-250 and caried over into the 22-243win I ran prior to switching to the 22 Creedmoor. I tried 50gr vmaxs out of a 1-7 twist barrel and not one bullet ever made it to the 100yd target, one of them poofed just past the barrel, definitely take your can off when testing with these hot rods and light pills. Nothing changes..heavy vs super light! All load data for reference only. It has wide forgiving sweetspots, which makes it inherently accurate even for the most novice reloaders, and the velocity combined with the ballistic coefficients of the .224 bullets in 75, 80, 88 and 90gr are so good, that wind does not bother it as much as even larger calibers. It is my feeling that Alpha Munitions OCD 22 Creedmoor is the best presently available. Many readers misinterpret our article on barrel life; assuming that were estimating the exact number of rounds until a shot-out barrel. The 22 Creedmoor trim length for cases is 1.910. We have found some 22 Creedmoor shooters pucking the bullet speeds in excess of 3400 fps to get around 1200 to 1400 shots out of their barrels, and some have been able to extend that with proper barrel care life letting the barrel cool between firing strings, and hBN coating their bullets. I love that gun..I have NEVER shot it..but I love it anyway! Is Cheap Thermal Worth It? 22 Creedmoor Load Data Since its' inception, in 2007 by Hornady, the 6.5 Creedmoor has seen some pretty meteoric growth in popularity. The tough northern coyotes we hunt have a reputation for taking some vicious hits and then just getting back up to run off. Also Im just getting in to Metallic reloading and Thorley enjoy it, thanks for the heads up on making loads a bit lighter to save the barrel. Here's the relative bullet diameters for these three Creedmoors: 6mm: 0.243. With a CCI200 primer I got the following with an 82 grain Berger. I think you'll be very happy going that route. Thank you!! Tried some new powders, I was very cautious on this lot and will be bumping the charge up after this batch. You've earned the right to shop tax free and enjoy FREE shipping! You could achieve better barrel life going with a slower powder especially with the 80 and heavier bullet weights. Both of them usually have a 22 Creedmoor for sale and in stock. Some specifically concentrate on varmint hunting, or coyote hunting, while others concentrate on high volume deer hunting or major game like elk and moose. . Anyone have load data for 22 creedmoor 50 gr. PRS matches typically limit bullet speeds to 3200 fps, which coincidentally works well since Copper Creek offers the 22 CM with a 95-grain SMK at 3160 fps based on a 24 barrel. Leaning toward the more conservative number of 1300 ft-lbs, the same 22 CM bullets combinations are good out to 300- 400 yards. Bullets being an entirely application-driven choice makes it difficult to suggest one, but if you're looking for top choices for the 22 Creedmoor they would easily be the heavier of the class such as 75gr hornady, 80gr SMK, or 80gr Berger. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Feature Articles, It sounds to me like your pissing on the .308, something MANY snipers would disagree with as well. I have also been shooting a .260 Rem out of a M700 for almost as long. I HAVE shot the bbls out a a few older models, which is WHY I went to the 22-250. Thats some great information, i figure my barrel will be lucky to make it to 1000rds, 800-1000 seems to be a trend, Im running test with the 4831sc this weekend, and I think I low balled myself compared to those loads you posted, we will see, once again thanks for contributing, this really is one bad ass round. My 22 Creedmoor is doing 3511 fps with 80 gr Nosler CC bullets. We had unlimited access, unlimited use, unlimited quantity of ammunition, fired rounds at night, morning, afternoon, black sky, full moon, rain, fog, cold, hot>>> yada yada yada..we had an awful lot of fun just chewing up ammunition and testing all that we could. Then one opening day, when it got daylight, I could see I was surrounded by other hunters. Look at the 22 creed as an ackley'd 22-250, you can actually fire form brass if needed. The .22-243AI, middlestead, and 22-6 were speed demons to be sure, but there were always crippled due to mag length restrictions or fire forming considerations. . I built the 22 CM to be a dual-purpose gun, or actually a 3-purpose gun. Ive seen claims of 80 grain Bergers @ 3500 fps out of 26 barrels, which would be devastating on any varmint. Went with the Nosler's because of availability and price. Most 22-250s will burn out the throat of the barrel in 1500 - 2000 rounds depending on how it's shot. Winchester Model 70 Super Grade AAAA Maple Walnut - 6.5 Creedmoor - 22" . We were all enlistedour CO/Officer in charge was an Ensign straight out of the Naval Academyand he was in agreement with all of his men (us)that this was cake duty and that God is the benevolent supreme being by stationing us there temporarily on TAD. You may wish to shoot moly-coated bullets to extend barrel life. This data may of course vary in reality (depending on a wide range of variables), but it will give you a good indication of which cartridges to stay away from if you plan on spending excessive amounts of time at the range, and are concerned over your barrels lifespan. Required fields are marked *. Im running the heavier bullets, typically 88 or 95 grains. The only thing I wish I had done is to get a brake put on it. With long range precision shooting becoming increasingly popular amongst rifle owners throughout the world, barrel life expectancy is often a question of concern, particularly amongst new buyers. Our hair was long, wed wear cut off Navy dungarees, (jeans), Navy chambray shirts with the sleeves removedwe would shoot enormous amounts of ammunition, we basically looked like 180 degree out of phase squids>>>(sailors). Buy and Sell on GunsAmerica! I can not speak to the virtures of Alpha brass, but I haven't heard any complaints about their other offerings. The Springfield Armory Waypoint 2020 rifle is an exceptionally accurate rifle. Made to order we strive for a 2-3 week turn time when blanks are on hand (please email/call for current availability), we get Bartlein blanks weekly so lead times do vary. I've got a barrel sitting at Beanlands now scheduled for fitting in April and I'm trying to get everything together. Sep 30, 2004. Note, I shoot without stopping so much so that bullets will discolor sitting in the chamber. Well I pulled the trigger, pun intended, on the 22 creedmoor. Laugh! What is maximum effective range of a 6.5 creedmoor? Required fields are marked *. At this point we can say that it has reached the end of its barrel life, and seek a replacement. I just wanted to see if I had enough H4350 on hand to burn out my barrel. Happy hunting. First off, what is a 22? Leaning toward the more conservative number of 1300 ft-lbs, the same 22 CM bullets combinations are good out to 300- 400 yards. And barrels cost less than new truck tires! Just thought I'd update here. The 22 Creedmoor finds itself in the perfect configuration for functionality with heavy bullets within short action magazine system limitations. Now we have Alpha Munitions producing factory 22 Creedmoor brass, and the stage is set for a complete takeover of the big 22cal scene. What is does excel at though, and arguably better than any other cartridge ever made, is for taking down coyotes and other varmint. No doubt it could be run hotter, but I don't believe the 22 Creedmoor should be ran above 3500fps with an 80gr, even with this amazing brass from Alpha Munitions. Now we have Alpha Munitions producing factory 22 Creedmoor brass, and the stage is set for a complete takeover of the big 22cal scene. It's definitely a fun little barrel burner, but I think the brass is the biggest downfall for me. Within the shooting industry, there are all kinds of niche markets today. 22 Creedmoor. We have checked the reamer records accordingly. Even "shot-out" barrels in an infamous barrel burner like the 220 Swift are usually in excellent condition at the cooler muzzle end. The same user claimed in another post comment on 29 October 2013 that GA Precision built his 22 Creedmoor rifle more than a year and a half earlier, which if true would make their 22 Creedmoor rifle the first one created in early half of 2012, possibly unlikely as the same user was still asking about a custom 22-250 action rifle and mag feeding ammo out of it in a 13 December 2012 post, showing that it has possibly not been made by then yet. Casing Type:.22 Creedmoor LRP (Large Rifle Primer) Casing Trim Length: 1.910" Primer: Federal Large Rifle Magnum Match (GM215M) Rifle Firearm Used: Horizon Firearms .22 Creedmoor Barrel Length: 24" Rate-of-Twist: 1 in 8" Casing Manufacturer: Peterson Cartridge Co. Casing Type:.22 Creedmoor LRP (Large Rifle Primer) Casing Trim Length: 1.910" You could even use 6.5mm brass, it would simply take more work to neck down. On High Power ranges there are few obstructions to affect downrange wind conditions making it easier to manage . Great idea. The gamut ran from .22 to 20 MM. My buddy has one. BAck in the 70s we used to shoot 85gr Sierra hollow point boat tail bullets in our 6mm Rems. PRS, There certainly was room for a "better mousetrap" and the 22 Creedmoor does an exceptional job of filling that void. I can actually smell the heat. Just FYI. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. I know guys that run anything from 22-26" barrels, 1-6.5 to 1-7 is what you'll need for the heaviest bullets. I've done extensive testing with several of the latest batches of headstamped 22 Creedmoor brass. My main 26" barrel is pushing 80gr Berger's at 3525fps and is relentless inside 800yds. You can use a full length (no bushing) sizing die to go from 6mm all the way to 22cal in one step, so long as the die is of good quality. I have some R26 and R23 that I want to try. Using 1000 yards as a distance benchmark, the 6mm CM drops 8.1 mils, and the 6.5 CM with the Hornady 147 ELD-M drops 8.7 mils. Plus I hand load HOT for that round as well. This is not true, but rather it is a calculation used to estimate the point at which accuracy will noticeably decline, which may be a steady and slow yet progressive declination if precautionary measures are taken. A benchrest shooter will consider a barrel shot-out long before a hunter will. These five variables are as follows: Throat erosion is often the main determining factor of a rifle barrels life. When I add to my collection very little leaves on the other side. This requires that you have the correct reloading shell holder or case holder as it is sometimes called for each of the calibers that you reload ammunition for, to ensure that you can hold the cases in the reloading press to use them. At our 22 Creedmoor muzzle velocity of 3550fps the Hornady 75gr ELD-M bullets produces around 2099 ft.lbs of energy, taking it close to medium 6mm bullets or light 308 Winchester rounds. In order to determine the accurate barrel life of a rifle, we can use a barrel life calculator. $65.75. I'm rough on my barrels but since I can rechamber myself I don't worry too much. A chronograph for example, mostly only a rare expensive piece of laboratory technology a few decades ago, is now part of almost every precision shooter and reloaders equipment, and a very affordable one at that. Creedmoor, I dont really care for comparisons based on different caliber rounds. I'm not worrying about getting a new barrel at the moment. The Creedmoor in 22 Creedmoor denotes the fact that it comes from a 6.5mm Creedmoor which has been necked down to accept a .224 bullet, the Creedmoor in 6.5mm Creedmoor in turn comes from Creedmoor Sports, for whom the 6.5mm Creedmoor cartridge was developed by Hornady and Creedmoor Sports jointly. The gun has NO recoil, and is downright easy to hit targets with due to the flat trajectory and outstanding wind-defeating bullets. As with any multi-purpose tool there tends to be compromises. Mine is throated long, twisted fast and loaded hot but I'm able to sling 95gr SMKs at 3200fps from a 22 inch tube with H4350. I went through Scout Sniper School at Camp Pendleton in1969 and my rifle had over 10000 rounds through it according to my log book. I'm going to try out 22x47L once this barrel is toast. It shot the 80.5 Berger's with great accuracy also. This would make him the first documented person to suggest a 22 Creedmoor cartridge on record. Anyone try the custom whiddens? The advent of the 6mm Creedmoor immediately had folks necking the hornady 6mm down to 22 cal and upon doing so found virtually the perfect case capacity for heavy weight .224 bullets. Your email address will not be published. Then along comes the new Creedmore offerings and the shooting world makes me feel like time has passed me by. This puts it in the .243 Winchester class for punch. The reason this cartridge stood out in the first round hit study, is because these heavy for caliber bullets have relatively high ballistic coefficients, and can be launched at fast speeds resulting in less wind and elevation corrections being required. Maps & Charts . Huntingdon, TN 38344. Gotta love the experts who denounce new cartridges as useless just because they own something similar. The ability of the heavy .224 bullets to retain both velocity and energy at long distances makes this . The first was for the coyotes and varmints previously mentioned. Federal and CCI offerings are most popular. The oldest actual proof of the 22 Creedmoor caliber in a rifle, being an image uploaded on a McWhorter Custom Rifles blog post about the 22 Creedmoor caliber round and the speed achieved by one shot on 22 September 2012. Thanks for your comment and for sharing your experience with us Mike. Making brass from 6mm creedmoor is simple and quick. The 90gr smk has almost the same B.C. That experiment reinforced my belief that 3500 is a good number for replacement. Because of the velocities achieved by the 22 Creedmoor out of most barrel lengths, many varmint shooter favor a 22 Creedmoor short barrel rifle for ease of handling but still offering varmint velocities. The only real issue that remains on the 22 CM rifle is just how long the barrel is going to last. You are quite wrong about using 22s for medium sized game. From the loaders manual, the stated velocity was 3300 FPS. But the stand was in the middle of a little woods. As a matter of fact, I dont remember but one large buck that ran about 100 yds. Just letting you know it was first created by Horizon Firearms out of Texas February of 2014. It's a cool cartridge for sure. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. A .250 diameter neck will typically provide desirable results for both as long as you are running an expander ball of the appropriate diameter in your die. At 4400, it was toast. For a sub-MOA barrel, many shooters report a loss in peak accuracy for 28 Nosler around the 800-round mark, while a 6.5 Creedmoor barrel can hold accuracy until around 2,000-2,500 rounds on average. One of the easiest ways is to select a cartridge load that does not necessarily produce the fastest muzzle velocity, but rather considers barrel life versus effective range and stopping power; settling on a favourable compromise. The same with rifles. The energy of the 250 grain 45 caliber bullet at that distance was only 630 ft-lbs. Both these rounds are considered fantastic for long-range shooting. In the recent few years, it feels like a new rifle cartridge is coming out almost monthly. 6.5 Creedmoor Barrel XL Rifle Gas w/GB & Tube Fits AR-10 Silver and other name brand Firearm Components Sports & Outdoors at The Exchange. Compared to my rifle chambered in .308 Winchester which also has a 20" barrel, the 6 CM needs 30% less elevation out to 1,000 yards and is 25% better in the wind. Ive heard of guys blowing up 90 and 95 smks with 6.5 twist barrels. I got an update from Bob at Alpha Munitions (alphamunitions.com). This erosion is accelerated when cartridges are loaded hot (adding additional propellant) with the aim of increasing the bullets velocity. Name Phone Number Email Message 22 creedmoor is SUPERIOR to 22-250 AND 220 swift. Bullet diameter.224, Shoulder angle30 degrees, Rim diameter.468, Case length1.92 inches, Primer typeLarge and small. With super light recoil, and speeds exceeding that of a hot 22-250 by 150-200fps, the 22 Creedmoor takes down coyotes at any distance, fast. Craddock Precision A longer barrel generally costs more. I know guys that run anything from 22-26" barrels, 1-6.5 to 1-7 is what you'll need for the heaviest bullets. ammo review, For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. For PRS you dont actually need all the speed the 22 CM has to offer from longer barrels. So, it is definitely more than just the energy numbers that is important. This item is in the category "Sporting Goods\Hunting\Gun Parts\Rifle". This varies depending on your rifle, barrel, load, velocity and bullet. Semper Fi. It's a cool cartridge for sure. UPS has officially stopped shipping guns? The 22 CM has been making waves in the predator hunting circles since before 2014 and gaining popularity since. This so far is the oldest actual documented mention of it, but with the image of the cartridge loaded and shot on range from McWorter Custom Rifles showing them as the oldest actual documented builder of a rifle able to shoot it. So how much bullet energy is needed for medium sized game? However, after running basic ballistic numbers on the 22 CM it looked very interesting. varmint hunting, All harvests have been one shot kills. You are using an out of date browser. Thank You! No doubt running a heavier bullet with both the aforementioned cartridges could have eased my troubles, but I was quite interested in the Creedmoor and wanted to try it out. Nobody routinely uses a 45-70 or a 30-30 where they anticipate regular shots at over 100-150 yards; stupid comparison. You can also neck 6mm Creedmoor down to 22cal easy enough. Want to become an expert on reloading, or just gain the knowledge needed to get started, here is a list of the best reloading books available. More importantly, why all the fuss? I built one after reading this and other articles. 22 creedmoor brass is hard to find right now, and I didn't want to shoot hornady brass. You can also use Lemi Shine ultrasonic brass cleaners. Comment * document.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "acb08e427cc3f73ca30b62e0ee31d3f0" );document.getElementById("d5ccf01b57").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. They plan on having 22 Creedmoor brass by the end of January. This against a lot of critique among seasoned shooters and [], There are multiple different case head sizes for the various cartridges.