Yet independent Baptists, by design, are less familiar to outsiders than other Christian traditions. Never put him down and then allow him to get up. Truly horrifying. His manner of teaching is rough and salted with racist comments about Black folks. For decades, women and children have faced rampant sexual abuse while worshiping at independent fundamental Baptist churches around the country. I sometimes post on another board and (hopefully its ok) I would like to link a thread that is going on over there. Landover, MD 20785. According to the Pew Forum on Religious and Public Life, there are. Most of those victims dont live in Fort Worth. Thou shalt not have sex with other women in the church but thou canst eye fuck them when they sit in front of you in church, and can corner them after church and have awkwardly flirty conversations with them when they are trying to leave because youre a fucking awkward creep. Blockbuster report about systemic sex crimes in ultra-conservative Protestant churches. concerned about creeping liberalism in that association, it opted to go it alone. And like everyone else in the world you want that love to mean something, to be incorporated into and desired by something worthy of it. If you need to flag this entry as abusive. Unless you are a college student on a bus route. I subjected myself to such rules for decades, believing I was obeying God. It wasnt long before I traveled the road to liberal Christian to agnostic atheist. Thou shalt not speak in Sunday morning service if thou be a woman, unless you are the soloist and you want to give thanks and praise to Jesus for the wonderful song. They used you as fodder in the war between themselves and everything they fear. Thou can sleep at 11 on Monday night; everyone knows sleep is for fags & queers, not real men. It started as part of the Northern Baptist convention but, concerned about creeping liberalism in that association, split away to join the Conservative Baptists. By entering your email and clicking Sign Up, you're agreeing to let us send you customized marketing messages about us and our advertising partners. Thou shalt study various martial arts disciplines, as these are masculine. That was weak (cupping ear)..congregation: AMEN (at top of lungs). Amendment though shalt say amen during service but only if you are male. Scripture alone. Thou shalt not have more than one hole in each ear shall be amended as follows: WOMEN ONLY shall be permitted no more than one piercing in the earlobe of each ear. Today the name Baptist is used by many churches that are not following the teachings of the New Testament. INDEPENDENT FUNDAMENTAL BAPTISTS FAR TOO MANY OF THEM RUN WITH DEVILS . I would add that all church communities are at risk of condemning the victims for the sake of maintaining the community, and the illusion that all is well. What's Wrong with the Independent Fundamental Baptists? Preacherboys should watch it in the college gym; anywhere else is worldly. This teaching about the modern day Pastor as it is today is unscriptural, and that's how this legalism got started in the Independent Baptist movement ( HEAR ME OUT). We were you at one time. When the apostles, the first members of the first church, and others went out preaching the Gospel and establishing other churches, this authority was transferred to them. Exempt this special report from your paywall. The one thing I do want to say for anyone just making their way out of the darkness of IFB is this: that you once so thoroughly bought into IFB is a sign of your strength, not your weakness. First Baptist Church of Glenarden 4.5. Jesus gives his own list in the Sermon on the Mount and Matthew 24/25. Im still a believer but cringe when I hear someone try to say what is sin and what is not. (Please note: if thou art truly right with God, the only acceptable team to pull for is Michigan State). You loved when the cost of that love was to negate the best parts of yourself. Shellnut is also helpful in clarifying just who these independent fundamentalist Baptists are: Around 2.5 percent of Americans identify as independent Baptists, according to thePew Research Center more than belong to the Assemblies of God, Churches of Christ, or Episcopal and Anglican churches. If you'd like to see the rest of this post (the whole of which was too large to post here), thank you and it's here. Contributors control their own work and posted freely to our site. Note how Jerry Falwell Jr. and Liberty University no longer identify as fundamentalist, but as evangelical and note how this assertion is accepted, unquestioned, by other evangelicals. sigh Do you realize how offensive your words are to unbelievers; people who struggled and agonized over leaving Christianity? As media eagerly services our culture's tendency toward increasingly polarized divisions, it's helpful to remember that 72.7 percent of Americans are Christians who are not IFB. More than 200 people current or former church members, across generations shared their stories of rape, assault, humiliation and fear in churches where male leadership cannot be questioned. After I graduated from that school I didnt wear a skirt for 2 years at my secular university! The network of churches and schools has often. Please reconsider Jesus and the Gospel. Im not. Be firm with him. The reason why Im so fervent, so passionate about it this morning is because I relived all of those feelings of what its like to be abused and the one that does the abuse is the one that always comes out the other side smelling like a rose and goes down the road to another church so he can do it again to somebody else.. Image Conscious You served them that way. They might as well be Mormons.Sense they add their own rules and Bible.They are acting as a cult its not biblical.Gal1:8 They are teaching false teachings,And not the doctrines of the Bible.They are Just adding their own rules. Although the decentralized nature of Protestantism makes statistics very hard to find, weve particularly found opportunities for abuse and cover-ups in three kinds of situations. Generally speaking howe. For decades, women and children have faced rampant sexual abuse while worshiping at independent fundamental Baptist churches around the country. He is supported by the pastor, Greg Neal, and his Twitter feed shows him traveling around the country, welcomed at churches. Shellnut also draws on Messiah College historian John Feas description of these independent fundamentalist Baptists, so lets turn to that. You showed up, ready to play. Cathy, if you had read more of what Bruce wrote, you would see that your simplistic message isnt necessary. I grew up in the IFB circles in the PNW. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception - Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination Welcome to BaptistDeception.com Edit Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. New IFB Beliefs. Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches Are MODERN Churches! They really spend too much time debating. I had the pleasure of hearing Dr. Roberson, a couple of times, when I was in College! It uses the Bible to "treat" everything from porn addiction to drug addiction. My mom grew up with this rule but never was told why. It upheld what it believed to be the true spirit of fundamentalism amid changes in the conservative Protestant landscape. There is no appreciable moral distinction between homosexuality and bestiality, incest, child molestation or rape. If I do Ill comment on this comment with details. A world where you say what is and isn't good. Im sure that if your God is all about love and grace he will know our hearts better than you and will fully understand in his 3-omni way. If you are a young woman, thou shalt wear knee-length dresses, with hose and heels at summer camp in the woods in the red clay mud when it rains. I was recently asked to write a few words of support and love for the members of two Facebook groups, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Cult Survivors and Do Right Hyles-Anderson. I was rejected by two independent fundamentalist Baptist congregations in two different states, but I stand in their defense. Here has been a few problems that caused divisions in the body of Christ thanks to some Independent Fundamental Baptists: 1.) The cause is clear. If you're unfamiliar with the beliefs and practices of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, some of them are: IFBs also generally believe that the will of a child must be broken before it ever has a chance to develop: a fussing or crying baby is exerting its selfish will. a couple of Greek Orthodox nuns are protesting the reinstatement of a priest, Todays Psychology Cant Help American Men. ? You loved, and loved, and loved some more. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? Thousands have come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ because one man followed in obedience where the Lord led. Now, gentlemen we have a problem in the Independent Baptist movement. True Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches uphold the purest teachings of the early church as revealed in the New Testament." . Feel free to add your own additions to the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Rule Book. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. . Dr. R has some real practical theology problems. Okay I'd like to say I am a fundamental Baptist and I am attending a local Baptist church, yes that's the name of this site. I wasnt surprised at all when I heard he had an affair with his secretary. The New IFB is an attempt to revive the former glory and orthodoxy of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, a movement that arose in the mid-20 th century in reaction to fears that mainstream. Bruce left the ministry in 2005, and in 2008 he left Christianity. Much of this movement was a response to the so-called neo-evangelical movement. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up out of the water again. This series needs to be widely read but, unfortunately, the Star-Telegramsshort-sighted, inflexible paywall will prevent that from happening. Many watch movies in their home.what is the difference? Thank the almighty for the military to fix that shiz, lol. Some of the best godly preachers like Jonathan Edwards and Charles Haddon Spurgeon were Baptists. Some of them are becoming social halls instead of true worship centers. Answer (1 of 2): The Fundamental Baptists that my Family and myself have been around varied wildly; some were more strict than others, while some were more lax with the rules they imposed on themselves and others. I guarantee you that most independent fundamentalist Baptists in this country are furious at the Star-Telegram today. (And yes, martial arts are ok, even though they originated from Asian sources; well win those yellow devils to Jesus, eventually). Other than Toledo, the 419 area code is pretty rural. You loved them in that (and a million other) ways. She gave me a five-minute counseling session and told me she would have to tell Pastor Schaap and the nurse, inform the doctor. But evangelicals should recognize that clerical sex abuse is widespread, and some evangelical and fundamentalist churches do cover up problems and pass them on to others. We were, I suppose, fundamentalist with evangelical highlights. A one-foot ruler, or its equivalent in a paddle, is a sufficient alternative. Im saved now, right? The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the 1920s. in fundamentalism for pastors and churches and ministries to just gloss over and sweep under the rug things of absolute epic proportion, he said in the video. (Not the liberal InterVarsity, mind you, Campus Crusade.). All of it so true and I laughed out loud at some of them!!! Having studied this group in particular, he provides some excellent background: The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the 1920s. , I was brought up in evangelical churches which clung to much of this dogma. I went with you to Fundamentalist and Fresh Oil conferences, Pastors' School, Missions, and Youth Conferences. Hyles flight to safety has become a well-worn path for ministers in the independent fundamental Baptist movement. 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Dont Dress Like a Whore if You Dont Want to Get Sexually Assaulted Says Lori Alexander, Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager, Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman, Thou shalt obey your parents at all times, Thou shalt obey the police and government unless the pastor says it is a sin against God to do so, Thou shalt give a faith promise missionary offering, Thou give an offering any time the pastor says God is saying to collect a special offering, Thou shalt attend church every time the doors are open, Thou shalt pray for every meal, but ice cream at Dairy Queen after church requires no prayer, Thou shalt only use the King James Bible 1611 edition which is really the 1769 revision, Thou shalt only use the Scofield King James Bible, Thou shalt not have long hair (over your ears, collar) if you are a man, Thou shalt not have a block cut hairstyle if you are a man, Thou shalt not have facial hair if you are a man, but if you are a woman you can have facial hair, Thou shalt not have tattoos unless you have prison tats from your life before Christ, Thou shalt not take the hem out of your Levi jeans or alter your clothing in any way so that you look worldly, Thou shalt not wear pants (britches) if you are a woman, Thou shalt not wear shorts, but a woman can wear Baptist shorts also known as culottes, Thou shalt not expose any flesh if you are a woman, especially your thighs, breasts, or back, Thou shalt only wear dresses with hemlines below the knees if you are a woman, Thou shalt not have any physical contact with the opposite sex if you are unmarried, Thou shalt not have more than one hole in each ear if you are a woman, Thou shalt not pierce any body part except your ear, and then only if you are a woman, Thou shalt not watch TV, but if you are a carnal Christian and must watch TV thou shalt only watch, Thou shalt not go to the movie theater, but using streaming services is okay, Thou shalt always have tracts in your shirt pocket or purse, ready to evangelize at a moments notice, Thou shalt drive a car with church advertising stickers, IFB cliches, or Bible verses attached to the bumper, Thou shalt park down the street when visiting the local strip club or whore house lest the pastor know you are there and stay away, Thou shalt not listen to secular music, especially rock music, which is from the pit of hell, Thou shalt not listen to contemporary Christian music (CCM), Thou shalt not drink fermented alcohol after all, Jesus drank Welchs grape juice, Thou shalt not cuss, but saying darn, shoot, crap, freaking, and fudge are okay, Thou shalt not date non-Independent Baptist girls or boys, Thou shalt not have any non-Independent Baptist friends, Thou shalt home school your children or send them to a Christian school, Thou shalt only read pastor-approved Christian books, Thou shalt only believe what the pastor says you are to believe, Thou shalt say you have victory over sin, even if you are lying, Thou shalt adhere to the perception is reality rule, Thou shalt send your kids to the same Christian college the pastor went to, Thou shalt leave the church if you commit adultery, get a divorce, or get pregnant outside of marriage, Thou shalt believe everything the pastor says even when you are certain he is lying, speaking evangelistically, or embellishing his illustrations, Thou shalt wear a bra if you are a woman, and it can only be a white, underwire bra, Thou shalt not mix bathe (Baptist for swimming with the opposite sex), Thou shalt not go to amusement parks unless the youth group is going, Thou shalt not show emotion unless praising Jesus from 10:00 am to noon on Sunday or giving a testimony during Sunday evening service, Thou shalt say AMEN during at the appropriate time during the pastors sermon, especially when he shouts, pounds the pulpit, or performs gymnastics, Thou shalt not be angry even though the pastor is allowed to be angry, but thats because his anger is righteous anger, Thou shalt be for what the pastor is for and against what the pastor is against, because if you dont, a bear might come out of the woods and eat you, Thou shalt ignore any science that contradicts the Bible, Thou shalt never try to fix your own problems because the pastor is the official fixer of all problems, Thou shalt takes notes on the sermon even if the rabbit wanders five miles off the trail or the sermon is incoherent, Thou shalt always tell the pastor what a wonderful sermon he preached, even when you have no idea what he was talking about, Thou shalt always tell Sister Bertha what a wonderful job she did with her off-key rendition of, Thou shalt not use canned (taped) music for music specials.