Titleist AP3 3 iron 2 degrees strong AMT black stiff shaft | eBay Potentially, this would mean the toe digs in and your shots go right (right handed). would 2 degrees be too much and change the club's characteristics too much? Uneven lies can vary more than an inch, and based on club geometry that is 1.6* right there, and I can't say I had much effect on the playability of the club. How to Bend Angle Iron | eHow Whether you can still hit the ball in the air and make good contact is dependent on your swing. Stronger iron lofts don't always create more distance - GolfWRX MyGolfSpy Forum Virtual Golf Tournaments, Forum Featured:Community Map & Course Reviews, By Bending the loft is another story. Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? I was being fitted for MP-4's and the ball flight with the kbs tour x was a little higher than i wanted so my fitter was able to bend it strong incrementally by 1 degree to flatten out the ball flight for me. Even with the knowledge of club bending and its importance on your play, there are a lot of misconceptions about what can and cant be done with a clubs loft and lie. Generally bending lofts on irons unless you are tweaking them to even out a gap. NOW AVAILABLE: GolfWRX G/Fore Hats and Holderness & Bourne Polos! Here are some of the facts, and fallacies, about club adjustment. APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! Ping Redwood Anser- the "real deal!". Titleist 818 H1 19 HybridMiura CB-57 4-PW Ping G425 Max 10.5 - Ventus Black 6X or G425 LST Ventus - Black 7X, Ping G425 Max 14.5 - Ventus Blue 7X Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred) ||Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag. *Performance average removes all outliers good and bad, to give a distance based on how far a well struck shot will go. 4-AW with juiced lofts is the same set as an old 3-PW that would probably be 22*-48*. Well-regarded at home, he mixed his time in junior golf with the likes of Min Woo Lee and Curtis Luck, during which he finishedrunner-up at The Players Amateur before winning the elite Porter Cup and being part of the victorious three-man Australian team at the Eisenhower Trophy, played partly at El Chamaleon, scene of the Mayokaba events on the PGA Tour. 4-6 more yards (depending on club and swing speed) and lower launch with less bounce. If you want to simply hit the ball further, find an iron that launches really high and spins really low, you will knuckle ball the shot a long ways, but odds are you will not be able to control yardages or stop the ball under most conditions. IG: golfer_scott If you are a true sweeper that may be ok but you may not see that big distance gain you are hoping for. There you can see exactly what it takes to be an average amateur golfer. Lofts don't always come in 4-degree increments. Great point I am a low ball hitter looking for more distance especially in my high irons. Still have questions? It is very easy to do these modifications, and also recommended by a lot of folks to have your set checked either frequently or at the end of each year in case any changes happened during the season from general play. But what about the mid and low irons, yes I understand some companies make 6/7 hybrids (7 and up is very rare), but you can not really replace an 8 iron with a true hybrid. So going 2 strong will remove 2 degrees of bounce. The decision wasn't about distance it was about gapping. In the last six years, Tony Finau and Viktor Hovland both broke their maiden here, whilst after a period of personal tragedy, multiple winner, Branden Grace, bounced back to form. We're not robotic enough to predict that exactly 3 or 4 degrees is the correct gap empirically. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Titleist AP3 3 iron 2 degrees strong AMT black stiff shaft at the best online prices at eBay! Pasted as rich text. "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." That's what I did with my 4i: took out the 95 gram KBS shaft and replaced it with a 75-gram SteelFiber 780 HLS hybrid shaft. What to consider when bending golf clubs. I did this with my current set and the results are great. Upload or insert images from URL. Distance is fine, but I have an overly high flight in the wind. However, in reality it was now a 63* wedge so what happened. Youll be amazed at the difference a properly fit set of irons can make to your game. Often, golfers think they need to make more birdies in order to score better or become a better golfer, when in reality it is minimizing the bad shots and bad holes that can have more impact. It just depends. By adding loft, those golfers achieve more ideal launch conditions, which means they carry shots farther and stop the ball faster on the green. Fairway Metal- Taylormade SLDR Mini Driver 12* w/ Fujikura Rombax TP95-X", Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions), Irons- Mizuno MP- FLI HI 2i w/ Aldila Proto ByYou 100X Started Thursday at 03:24 PM. After the back-to-back top-25s, he was a sneaky play at a long price for the Honda, but was never comfortable, withdrawing during the event with sinus issues. We dont stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.. I am constantly amazed at how many golfers are trying to play the game with a fundamentally unsound hold of the club. And here is why. Golfers change the lie angle of a club to better their chances of hitting the center of the clubface. If the added ball speed of modern irons is not enough to achieve an ideal landing angle, I have to add loft. Sitemap. You dont need to bend the clubs. The GI/SGI clubs are basically directed to help players with lesser abilities to hit the golf ball, usually that also means lower swing speeds. Yes, thats essentially what Im asking. In The BagDriver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65xStrong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400. Unless of course it's a long iron and you have a hard time elevating it in the first place. In the five starts mentioned above, the St. Simons resident has some impressive first round finishes. I was 50 yards out on the 3rd hole, and was in the moguls. Not every iron or wedge can be bent. TM TP UDi #3, MC 4-7, MB 8-P w/ Tour V S+ Not going to dig any more than normal. We dive into a subject we get A LOT of questions about, bending your clubs properly. We also see these players having gapping issues with a mid iron, not just 4 and 5 like your example, so adding loft achieves better gapping as well. I believe that you can't really bend your irons too much but to accommodate I am thinking of bending my AP2s 1 degree stronger and AP3s 1 degree weaker so that I have better gaping. The average golfer leaves 65 percent of all approach shots short of the green. Check out the different lie angles of a standard 8 iron from these three companies: I know that the difference between these angles doesnt seem like much. Hi all, I was wondering if bending a club 2* strong would affect the playability of said club? Anyway, the scorecard couldn't care less what club you hit. Golfers who know this information will have a much easier time controlling their ball flight, hitting the center of the clubface more consistently. Ball speed from the new irons is what is creating the distance. Bending 2* strong will increase the clubs digging tendencies. What bouncedoes is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. In the grand scheme of things, I would say zero effect. Using like say an Older Macgregor blade butter knife with a thin sharp leading edge on the sole if you deloft more than 1 degree or so you have a chance of digging to China. Wedges: Dynacraft Dual Millled 52*, SteelFiber i125 S -or-Scratch 8620 DD 53*, SteelFiber i125 S; PM Grind 19 58* -or-Wilson Staff PMP 58*, Dynamic S -or- Ram TW282 SW -or- Ram TW276 SW Undershooter This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. I draw the ball naturally so I dont want too much offset on the clubs, I think it will be easier if I just go and get some wedges to sort out the gapping issue. But if a high spin player gets a 15 launch and 6000 RPM with a 115 MPH ball speed with a 5-iron, then whats wrong with that? High bounce irons absorb a change like this more easily. Training Aids, GPS Devices, Apps, Accessories & More. KBS even notes it in the swing speed recommendations for their different model shafts, as their very lightweight steel shafts are about a full flex softer frequency than the standard weight counterpart. Powered by Invision Community. I also don't mind the little more offset I don't over cut it. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. JavaScript is disabled. How Long Do They Last, Driving Iron Advantages and Disadvantages, You are using clubs that are too tall for you (easy fix is to change the shaft length), You stand far away from the golf ball when making a swing. Bomb and gouge. What amazes me the most is how many golfers will continually spend thousands of dollars on golf equipment but never take the initiative to change those fundamental things that will help them really improve their skills and abilities. Terms & Conditions Thank you for such an eye opening article. As long as the spin rate is acceptable, the new irons, because of their lower center of gravity, are going to produce more speed off the face (due to the lower loft and lower COG) and more distance. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Mr Divots, good point on the higher swing speeds, but like anything else we still see higher speed guys still launch the ball too low, it just is not as common as the low swing speed player. 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, Fitness, maximum efficiency for the time spent. Guess I dont get it. Tour Preferred X or TP5x ball. Thankfully gone are the days of everyone demanding s300 S or X when they dont have the swing speed to support them. I am not sure exactly what you are asking with the final 2 questions, are you asking should the 5 and 7 iron have the same launch conditions as the 6 iron, or would there be any issues if your 5 iron or the 7 iron launched like the ideal conditions for the 6 iron? Thanks for the insight! And visa versa, if the original bounce is low and/or the club has a sharp leading edge, the reduction in bounce may have a significant impact on playability. TaylorMade M1 15* Tensei CK Pro White 80X or The fact remains that only stronger, faster swings can support lower lofts. Never go more than 2 degrees when making adjustments. The reason this happens has to do with an irons center of gravity (COG), because when you lower an irons COG you add a lot of potential height to a golf shot. The bounce angle will also change when making the clubs stronger or weaker. Arnold Palmer Invitational 2023 (*** NO LIV DISCUSSIONS/REFERENCES ***), Custom Ping i230 5-UW KBS Tour R+ Power Spec, G425 3 wood with GD TP, Ping Kaili Shaft,King Tec Hybrid, Jaws Raw & Zipcore Wedge, Airmax 97, Apex UW. If so why mess with perfection. I am a club fitter also and see this every day. IG: golfer_scott A 1 degree lie angle change, either flat or more upright, can cause a 4-yard difference either left or right of a straight target. The ball came out much higher and shorter, just like you would expect from a 63*. ***GIVEAWAY*** Cleveland CBX ZipCore Wedge! Im contemplating a set of Mizuno MP-53 irons. I teach golf on the Eastern side of Michigan where I am the Director of Instruction for three golf courses. The simple fact is that good golf cannot be played with a bad grip on the club. But when I show them the results on golf radar, which can be as much as 5-to-10 yards more carry distance, they start to get it. That means someone who has a ballflight thats too low, he delivers the head with less loft than needed, and by that less than the design of the head is meant to be played with, so he cant go wrong by tweaking lofts weaker. Just curious but, can I bend a set of titleist cb718 to the titleist ap2 718 specs? So it doesnt matter to me what loft a golfers 6 iron is, as long as that loft allows a golfer to launch and spin the ball in a way thats ideal for their swing. On a driver? I was fit for my current irons and they were bent 2 degrees strong for ball flight purposes. Your 4i and 5i will tend to get more rollout than the higher # irons, hence the 3* loft gaps. It is amazing how much higher/lower similar irons can perform, in terms of player level. Bending 716MB irons 1 or 2 degrees strong - Team Titleist I am now thinking I am just going to bend my 712 Ap2 irons to the 714 AP2 specs so my gaps will match up better with my wedges. 00bolt, September 12, 2016 in WRX Club Techs. Ping G410 LST 3 Wood Oban Tour Prototype V430 Club design of a particular club can be a factor also. He is also 1 of 33 TrackMan Masters in the world, and has completed thousands of successful fittings using TrackMan. Titleist Vokey 47* Oban CT 125, 51*, 55*, and 59* Shimada Tour Wedge Black Learn how your comment data is processed. 00bolt, May 18, 2017 in WRX Club Techs. This happens probably most frequently with wedges, when a person wants to play 3 instead of 4 wedges for example. - Chick Evans, Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons, Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper, I will add a little to what was posted above. It depends on several factors including as mentioned above how steep your swing is and if you are a "digger" or "picker". Plus, those superlight steel shafts in the 85-90 gram range feel like a softer flex than what is listed, probably due to the thinner steel in the shaft. Ping G425 5 wood & hybrid Needless to say, some people need more bounce than others; pickers don't need much bounce but diggers do. I know its different for each golfer depending on their individual characteristics but do you have rough numbers (for iron set) to be looking for in terms of launch angle, spin rate etc. Each one of those sees him rightly disputing the market number one, but Im not sure I can get involved at around 20-25-to-one with any of the favourites, even if they hold excellent claims. Hi everyone, sorry for the slow reply! Usually weak, but occasionally strong, and if done intelligently where you don't hurt the clubs playability it's no big deal. My 54 wedge has 12 of bounce and the divots I take with it are just a big as all the rest. Newer irons, however, are designed with a loft angle that is between 18 and 22 degrees. Not sure about the AP2s. Hoofer, Ecco, Bushnell Srixon Q-Star Tour / 2. Great answer Blake. I wouldn't feel comfortable messing with the bounce/offset/loft. Can someone please discuss the advantages and disadvantages of increasing loft on an iron by 2 degrees? So what makes 15-16 and 6000 RPM ideal? Odyssey #7 Tank, I got a set of Titleist 716 cb that are bent 2 degrees strong (they end up being 1 Degree weaker than my old z745 I believe). I take healthy beaver pelts with short irons, but the 2 iron is just a nip of grass. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, Tuesday at 04:47 PM, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 20, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 13, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 6, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, January 31, By 2023 Acushnet Company. This is a list of all clubheads that clubmakers are not allowed to bend. More is not always better, but I would expect nothing less from a fitter at Carls Golfland. Does that create the maximum distance for that ball speed? If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. For most players the answer is - MORE than we normally can bend static lof, Lower launch, lower flight (generally) but you lose some bounce and add offset, Titleist TSi4 8.25* / Fujikura Ventus Black TR 7-X It's a club you pick off the turf anyway. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. The basic fundamentals of striking a golf ball have not changed nearly as much as golf club technology, and those fundamentals have their roots dating back a hundred years to Bobby Jones and his peers or even further. Adjusting irons loft for distance - MyGolfSpy Forum When this happens, its usually the result of some type of inconsistency in the metallurgy of the club. I think that makes a difference. The one with a ballflight too high, is delivering the clubhead Privacy Policy Good question. Ping G400 Max driver w/Aldila Rogue 125 Silver Featured Section: GolfWRX_Official Custom Specs - Mizuno Golf USA LOWER COG IN NEW IRONS REQUIRES LESS LOFT A LOT OF THE TIME TO GET THE SAME DISTANCE OF OLDER CLUBS WITH A HIGHER COG. Might actually help on hard ground. Please contact Patrick Gallagher at 800-437-1314 or email patrick@mitchellgolf.com. 5 Testers Needed! Worked very well IMO in terms of reducing spin You will need to check your distances with these gapped lofts. So glad this was posted.